No, really, saying something is "highly evolved" is not demonstrating your leet grasp of scientific principles. "More highly evolved" means you need Remedial Clue so you have a chance at understanding Freshman Biology when you take it.

Evolution does not work the way you think it does. It does not pluck out the particularly gifted, the particularly special, the mystically transcendent and bless them with descendants. Natural selection means that the ones who aren't able to survive don't, and also a bunch of random others who aren't lucky don't survive either. If your sooper-special genetic improvement mutation-holder gets hit in the head with a falling piano, unless their mutation provides them with superior piano-incident-surviving skills a la Wile E. Coyote, that mutation is not getting into the gene pool. Along the same lines, by the way, the existence of seat belts and air bags is not proof that we are not "evolved enough" to handle moving at highway speeds. (For crying out loud. NO I AM NOT MAKING THAT ONE UP.)

While we're on the subject, you are not more evolved than a monkey. You are evolved to different niches. The monkey almost certainly has you beat hands down at brachiation, for example. You are not the pinnacle of evolution; your eyes are in backwards and the cephalopods laugh at you. Evolution does not have an end goal that one can place living things on to evaluate their grade level; it is a process perpetually in progress. We'll know if this generation's mutations worked out for the species a few generations down the road.

So long as you perpetrate the notion that there is this continuum of evolution, by the way, you are supporting the ravings of creationists. Who don't understand that people didn't evolve from lemurs, but rather that people and lemurs evolved from some umpty-lump great-grandgenerations removed protoprimate and have evolved over an equivalent amount of time since that point. So they rant on about how they're not lemurs, they're "more evolved" than that, only they don't say "more evolved", they want to be soooo evolved they were specially ordered by a god without having to get on with any of that messy begatting ahead of time. Just stop feeding the trolls the special-case exceptionalism they want for their species, okay?

Further, your preferred subculture is not "more evolved" because of your presence in it, not even with the secret skills that are beyond the ken of the ordinary folk that you're convinced in your special place are required to deal with you and your super extraordinaritude. They have not invented new interpersonal skills in order to handle the likes of you. They fall back on the old standbys: the polite brush-off, the patient explanation, the cut direct, the snarkpocalypse. You are not that difficult to deal with, really. (Even if you do go on and on about how much more evolved you are.) All the virtues that you extol as proof of the superiority of your subculture are a) present in the mainstream, b) useful in non-subculture spaces, and c) not as universal within your subculture as your highly-evolved-colored sunglasses would have you believe. You are not going to usher in a new period in human evolution with your subculture's shiny values; if there is a "new period in human evolution", it's called "tomorrow", and it's coming whether or not you froob your grubunctuous noibs with mayo or choose to abstain. (Though a few days ago the new period in human evolution was called what we will, for the sake of argument, now call "yesterday".)

From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com


Oh, amen.

It's really hard to get the assumed teleology out of English enough to make these arguments, isn't it ? Darwin needs his Milton yet, basically.
Edited Date: 2010-01-11 08:08 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com


Have you seen, I think it is, Red Planet? From a short DNA sequence, one scientist is able to say "OMG, that's human DNA!". And then there is an animation of how humans evolved in apparently a rather random order from a random selection of animals -- chosen to make the CGI morphing look cool? I don't know.
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Mission to Mars, actually. Husband worked on Red Planet and just said "no, the other movie like that."

From: [identity profile] paladin-of-gaia.livejournal.com


Very much agreed. One point I will add that may be more philosophical in nature then scientific, but here goes. It seems to me that if one accepts the principle that the overriding ‘goal’ of life is generally to perpetuate itself and create more life (ostensibly in its own image more or less), sentience, and specifically the ability to develop technology can be seen as a desirable evolutionary endpoint because it allows the life forms in question to expand beyond the confines a singular planet where a single stellar or even terrestrial event might wipe them out. That is not to say that humans are necessarily more evolved then bonobos, but humans do (on this world) have the unique potential ability to take life from this world and seed it on others, thus increasing the likelihood that Earth based life will continue to expand and thrive.
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That's why we started out with a chimp build and respecced once it was worthwhile. Most of the vertebrates think we're currently overpowered, but the rest of the player base doesn't much care, really.
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From: [personal profile] artan


That's because the rest of the player base hasn't invested heavily in complex nervous systems. Sure, flying and lifting 30x your body weight and claws and spitting poison sounds cool, but the points have to come from somewhere...

From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com


Actually, it's because a lot of the player base are doing stuff on zerg-rush tactics. Sure, INDIVIDUALLY, a human is way, way more powerful than almost any of the invertebrate classes out there ('cept maybe some of the Cephalopod prestige classes) -- but when they can field twenty million of them for the cost of one of us? It starts evening out some.

From: [identity profile] misslynx.livejournal.com


This entire thread is making me ridiculously happy.

Mmmm, cephalopod prestige classes... I wonder what the prerequisites are to switch to one of those? Something tells me that in addition to the usual assortment of levels in various things, there'd be something involving a trip to Innsmouth, and/or the stars being right.

From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com


Octopus Advanced Class:

Requirements:
Base Attack Bonus +2
Feat: Extra Arms . . .

The problem with Cephalopod class is that there are so many talent trees in it. I mean, you can go with the Stealth tree, which can give you the Ink Cloud, Active Camouflage, and No, Really, I'm A Clump Of Seaweed feats, or you can go for the "Armor" tree, including Hard Shell and Can't Get Me I'm Carrying A Coconut Around. You can get Venom, or Flash Attack . . .

From: [identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com


A PROTO-chimp build. A fully specced-out chimp can totally pwn an australopithecus.

From: [identity profile] etcet.livejournal.com


However, pretty much every carnivore finds us, lacking gear, to be a pretty easy PK (and lunch).
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From: [identity profile] perspicuity.livejournal.com


but those damn thumbs, gear is just a leg bone away :)

humans supposedly have a few built in goodies, that other critters don't have (or in combination) that make us environmentally amusing...

o cooling system - we're pretty good up to a large range of temps for land animals. we're not so great in cold, but can fix that with other animals help... or aliens taking ancestors and turning them into farscapians.

o endurance - combined with the above, SOME of the warriors can outrun (distance and speed) horses and such, or just run them down if not with pure speed, with unrelenting annoyance.

o poison control - we can eat a TON of stuff that drops other animals dead dead dead. course, there's some stuff they can eat too, but our livers are magnificent and squishy.

o and look! no appendixeses

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From: [identity profile] soong.livejournal.com


I hate the gear driven nature of this game. There's no skill or cleverness in it. Everyone just spends all day grinding gold so that they can buy better gear. Or grinding rep with the manager faction so that they'll maybe drop some odd quest reward.

From: [identity profile] etcet.livejournal.com


I just want the RNG to drop [Winning Powerball Ticket] so I can stop grinding and train up my physical prowess skills.

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Please teach the rest of these itnenret hooligans how to write and research!

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Great post with lots of ipmortant stuff.
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It is arguable whether sentience is the only path for interplanetary travel. It appears likely that bacterial spores are able to make the trip between Mars and Earth when kicked up by meteor impacts, and may even be able to survive interstellar travel.

It's also possible to at least imagine a non-sentient life-form that can propel itself into space and survive interplanetary or interstellar journeys, or a symbiotic cluster of species that's capable of "terraforming" planets into their image, similar to how certain eco-systems can gradually absorb more land, e.g. turning plains into forests until a fire comes along to clear the forest out and give access to the plains organisms again. Plenty of people indeed do imagine such things, and some even make the effort to craft them in a way that seems scientifically plausible. We don't have any examples -- but then, we also don't have any examples of sentient organisms managing to colonize new planets.

From: [identity profile] pinkpolarity.livejournal.com


Apparently I also need remedial clue, since I didn't know a good deal of this. The scientific bits, I mean, not the "please don't be a git on the internets" bits.

From: [identity profile] pinkpolarity.livejournal.com


It's not clueless to not know this stuff, because explaining it in accessible ways is hard.

Thank you for saying that, really! It's nice to hear compared to the geek standard of proclaiming a fact and then being irritated that people who aren't geeky about science don't already know it. And you did a better job of explaining than most things I've seen. :)

From: [identity profile] lupagreenwolf.livejournal.com


Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou for this rant!!!

From: [identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com


YES. Thank you. Also, nice use of "brachiation" for its literal meaning.

From: [identity profile] ibnfirnas.livejournal.com


What else does it get used for? I've never seen it except literally, and now I'm curious.

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I found msylef nodding my noggin all the way through.
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From: [personal profile] crystalpyramid


I love your stock rants.

I feel like somewhere in here there's room to point out that my mom's half-sister, with the eight homeschooled kids who're all thoroughly indoctrinated in Southern Christian culture, is arguably much better-adapted in a Darwinian sense than I or any of my subculture-inhabiting, atheist/agnostic/pagan/unitarian, elite-college-degree-possessing friends. Bacteria and prions and those snot-green bone-eating worms are all pretty damn highly evolved, and we don't hear them boasting about it.

From: [identity profile] hawlla.livejournal.com


Well, that's obviously because snot-green bone-eating worms and prions and bacteria aren't evolved enough to have thought out how to mutate some vocal cords.

From: [identity profile] misslynx.livejournal.com


For which fact we should all be grateful, because otherwise they'd never shut up...

From: [identity profile] baratron.livejournal.com


While we're on the subject, you are not more evolved than a monkey. You are evolved to different niches. The monkey almost certainly has you beat hands down at brachiation, for example. You are not the pinnacle of evolution; your eyes are in backwards and the cephalopods laugh at you.

I'm not sure if I'm in love with you or in love with this rant, but if it wasn't for the fact you're already quite thoroughly married I'd be saying "Marry me?".

From: [identity profile] wireandroses.livejournal.com


oh, thank you so much for this. i'm no longer welcome in a particular pagan group because i laughed out loud when someone said she hadn't been "evolved enough" to join similar groups in college. i honestly thought she was kidding.

From: [identity profile] hawlla.livejournal.com


Along the same lines, by the way, the existence of seat belts and air bags is not proof that we are not "evolved enough" to handle moving at highway speeds. I read this to my husband and he said, "I guess that means that since we have to wear helmets in space that means we're not evolved enough to travel in space."

If you haven't read The Lost World by Michael Crichton, I suggest doing so. There are some very intriguing concepts about evolution in it. And no, you don't have to read Jurassic Park first, if you don't want.
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From: [personal profile] blk


Very nice! I think I like your brain and would like to get to know it better.

From: [identity profile] khalinche.livejournal.com


[livejournal.com profile] livredor linked to this from her DW journal. I enjoyed it lots. Thank you.

From: [identity profile] misslynx.livejournal.com

Just dropped in from dot_poly_snark...


...to say that this post is awesome. Thanks for writing it!

And that also reminds me that I've been meaning to ask if it would be OK for me to add you to my friends list, since you seem to regularly post comments I like in the various communities and friends' LJs we have in common.

From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com

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<3

(I'm going to read the rest of your Stock Rants now.)
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