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([personal profile] kiya Sep. 28th, 2002 01:20 am)
The article suggesting that natural blondes are being outcompeted by bottle blondes and thus are going to be disappearing from the breeding population (because, you see, men really prefer bottle blondes and women have no volition in theories like this) was bad enough on the irritating pseudoscientific drivel front.

The reply comment saying that "recessive" is not a random designator, but in fact means "disappearing from the population" makes me want to bang-head-on-wall-a-lot. Alleles, people, alleles!

Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Why is it my lot in life to exasperatedly explain basic genetics to people on usenet?
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From: [personal profile] tiassa

Re: Yeah but....


I don't see anyone here calling you, in particular, stupid. If someone else has done so, feel free to yell and/or wield your Ungodly Sarcastic Wit at them, not me/us.

That said, I will note that my sub-par US public school taught "basic genetics" in sixth grade. And seventh grade basic science, which was a required class. And eighth grade basic science, see above. &c, &c, &c. It was something to which every single student should have been exposed at one point. Now, if they didn't understand, that's another matter, which I blame on the earlier-mentioned lack of teaching children to think.

My problem with stupidity is not lack of exposure. But if I explain basic genetics to someone, I expect that they will say, "Oh, I didn't know that." I don't expect them to say, "I don't care what you say! My mommy says you're wrong, so neener!"


From: (Anonymous)

Re: Yeah but....


Listen...

Go to alt.callahans and read the thread in question. It's called "blondes dying out?" in case you can't locate it. I promise you that you will see nothing more than a lack of information--not hostility or willing ignorance. There is nothing in the thread to indicate that any misinformation there was purposeful or due to stupidity. And there was not a single "neener" involved.

Therefore, they are undeserving of impatience and/or contempt. And to treat any of them/us with either is arrogant and unfairly intolerant. And please note that there was no distinction made in the original post here between the "stupid" members of Usenet and all of Usenet. So I find the generalization offensive, because I am part of that general population.

Do your research. Read the thread, and tell me if anything there was deserving of a whine.

And in the meantime, read over the prior entries _here_ and show me where anyone was shown the benefit of the doubt before they were blanketly labeled "stupid".

All I'm saying is that if it is so bloody aggravating to inform the masses, then don't do it. No one is compelled to come in and "fix" things, and if they can't do it happily, then they shouldn't.

If it causes so much aggravation, then why bother?
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From: [personal profile] tiassa

Re: Yeah but....


I want to know why this anonymous person is taking so much trouble to try to correct us poor iggerant folk, if we're so stupid/arrogant/offensive/what-have-you.
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From: [personal profile] tiassa

Re: Yeah but....


Oh, I see now. This is for the same reason I should give up on caring about silly things like very basic language skills, right? Wow, I must be pretty stupid not to get that.
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses

Re: Yeah but....


You seem pretty aggravated at this, to judge by your tone; why are you bothering? I suspect it's a bit of a parallel, at least.

Meanwhile, I don't believe we've met. I'm Brooks.

From: (Anonymous)

Re: Yeah but....


Hi, Brooks. Nice to meet you, especially since your initial post seemed, overall, even--albeit pessimistic.

What I see is an obviously bright, well educated person. Said person posts a rant, in her own space, yes. But look at it. She is ranting over a situation that she chose, causing herself aggravation that is unneccessary-no one said, "Hey Darkhawk--enlighten us here! We need someone to ignore." She saw a situation and _chose_ to participate. And then resented the participation, and chose to put the resentment not on her own frustration at having participated, but instead on the people she was choosing to interact with. And while this is, indeed, "her own space", it's on the web, in public (and designated as such--this is not marked "private" or even "friends only"), where any random participant on that thread could read it. And respond. And that's precisely what happened.

Once again, a situation that could have been avoided by simply blocking who read it, by the person who "owns" the space.

It is offensive, of course, to be confronted with the attitude expressed here, although it is fairly commonplace to see someone who has the advantages of both intelligence and education to view those with not so great a measure of either with a certain aristocratic superiority. That happens every day. But the thing that bothered me more, I think, was the idea that the aggravation she experienced was self inflicted and overblown. Her information and participation was unsolicited, she offered it, it was accepted with no argument--what's the beef? The beef, it appears, is the idea that she is somehow _compelled_ to educate. She is not. So the aggravation is self-inflicted.

So my only question is, and has been, "Why bother?" And if the argument, as it appears to be, is that you care that good information is put out there, then understand that this compulsion to educate is motivated internally--there is no law anywhere that says anyone _must_ do it. And further--my own opinion is that if you cannot do it without contempt, then no thank you.

But the last few posts indicate a willingness to fight for the right to aggravate herself, with a fairly vehement "me too" posted in support. So OK--do it. But understand why. And don't hold the ignorance of others as a personal affront as you work to alleviate it. Also understand that you have chosen aggravation as your birthright. It belongs to no one but you.

If you read the thread in question, you will find that there is nothing offensive in it, and that Darkhawk's offering was met with neither hostility nor resistance. The conversation was, indeed, based on information offered by the scientific community, which, I would assume, would know better than the average layman that a certain finding was at least something to be considered. So if anyone was misinformed, it was the community of German scientists that offered the theory to begin with, on the basis of their genetic studies. So how can a group of laymen who at least have the intelligence to be interested in the subject of this study be accused of being anything but open to the learning of something new? That may be ignorance, Brooks, but it is not indicative of stupidity.

The word "stupid" is a hot button for me, this is true, Brooks, and my reaction to the random usage of it as was evident in these posts was enough to spark a reaction (and no, Darkhawk did not use that word, but she did not refute it her respondants, either). And for that I take full responsibility. And, as all of you indicate in your posts here, I am not even beginning to dream that anyone is going to behave any differently as a result of the expression of my opinion--I can heave as world weary a sigh as any of you in that regard. Nothing I say is going to make anyone do anything differently than what they are already doing, or change anything. But Brooks--if these ladies can feel compelled to correct shabby information as it appears, so some of us can feel compelled to correct shabby attitudes (attitudes that, IMO, are unworthy of educated people, BTW).

I'm not aggravated. I'm just not prepared to let the inaccurate and unfair picture painted here, in a post marked "public", sit without commentary.
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From: [personal profile] tiassa

Re: Yeah but....


I'm confused as to what aristocratic superiority is being displayed by anyone but you, O Enlightened Defender of the Underprivileged Masses. I have nothing against those who lack exposure to information. I have expressed no disdain for those who lack exposure to information. I merely have no patience with those who were exposed to the information and ignored it, or who resent it when people politely offer it (no, not condescendingly). I'm not involved in the thread in question, so I'm talking in general.

You were the one who started the whole "you're looking down on people!" business. You were the one who started throwing preconceived notions around about me, when you know nothing except a few comments which I have made right here. And, judging from the tone of your comments, you're neither uneducated nor "stupid" and so I don't know why you're acting like someone pissed in your Cheerios anyway.

From: (Anonymous)

Re: Yeah but....


Oh, and Brooks? "Fucking off" now. ;)

But I will leave you with just one thought.

If we cannot rely on the educated and intelligent people of the world to treat those who have fewer advantages in this area with tolerance and patience, and if we cannot perform the act of educating others with joy and generosity, then we as a species are on our way to hell in a bucket, no matter how intellectually advanced we become.

Just my opinion.

Hope to see you around again.
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