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([personal profile] kiya Dec. 28th, 2004 03:43 am)
[livejournal.com profile] tnh at [livejournal.com profile] makinglight has a note about groups putting together resources for the tsunami victims. I make meaningful gestures and blither a bit.



Notes to me: add to quickie travel ritual set matches. There exist people who don't have them around, weirdly and mindbogglingly enough.

Also, remember to write the journal thing about polyvalent logic, chaos magic, and Sri Syadasti and the other journal thing about models of energy, self, and the water pumps and reservoirs.

In other news, I'm really quite fond of [livejournal.com profile] oneironaut.

In general crankiness, "Happy Solstice" as a nasty-intentioned comeback to "Merry Christmas" irritates me even more when people continue doing it well after the astronomical use-by date. I want to strap these people to an orrery and spin them around until they suffer from an understanding of astronomical geometry.

From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com


I don't have matches around. I think Robert does, but I don't. I'm slightly phobic of fire, or at least being very *close* to it, so all I use are the big long clicky lighters (for which I regularly thank the Gods for their invention, as before them I couldn't have candles at all.)

As for that last paragraph... I really wish all of the "holidays as weapons" people need to STFU before I use Things that Go Boom upon them. (This year needs to end. Now.)

From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com


Rob is also a firebug. Which is good, for then I can have fire during group rituals and I don't have to make it. I'm Water Girl. I don't mess with fire. (Besides, matches smell horrid. :P)

That's what I meant by "holidays as weapons"-- not wishing someone a Merry (Whatever) because you mean it, but as a "take this holiday and shove it!" thing. All of y'all SHUT UP already.

(But isn't there a "Yuletide Period" type thing? I can't remember a single year when I actually celebrated the solstice *on* the solstice. Or pretty much any other Neo-Pagany holiday on the day. I'm happy if I can get "close enough." I mean, it's not like Light Returns overnight, after all. But then, I'm notoriously bad with date-based things in general. If I celebrate the birthday within a week or my anniversary sometime in October, that's good enough for me. :)

From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com


Uhh... I was one of those people. Wasn't aware I was making "empty gestures." Also wasn't aware I was limiting my greetings to 25 December. As I said, dates are pretty meaningless to me. I greet for the "sometime in December" season. That's close enough for me. I guess I'm just mushy. ;) (But then, I'm reminded yet again that while I hang around geeky people, I'm not a geek. I also have no clue what an orrery is. Heck, the only reason I pay much attention to the clock is to know when programs are on TV or know when work's server is going to go down. Otherwise it's all one big mushy dark.)

Besides, 90% of people don't know to connect the word "Yule" with a Solstice celebration, they think it's another way of saying Christmas.

(Now *I'm* cranky, and I thought I was done being cranky about holiday stuff. I *really* want this year over.)

From: [identity profile] oneironaut.livejournal.com


I also have no clue what an orrery is.

You've probably seen one and just didn't know the term; I think there's a rule about having one in every movie that involves an Alignment Of The Planets, which is about 20%% of SF movies. They're working models of the solar system (or a subset of it), like globes for people who don't know when enough is enough. Here's some art depicting one. God intended them to be all brass and glass and exposed clockwork and intricate incomprehensible diagrams and ... I'll be in my bunk.

From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com


Well, I thought I might be, since I happened to do my Merry Whatevermas post on the 25th, I think, since it was the day when Rob gave me the TiVo. And we did Solstice on the 19th, I think. It's all one big blur to me right now.

As for the "Happy Hanukah" late... I'd probably blink for a minute and say "it's over? okay..." Quite honestly, people (and that includes me) get so offended about holiday greetings that next year I'm inclined not to offer any, to anyone. I begin to think my husband has the right of it when it comes to detesting this entire time of year.

And yeah, [livejournal.com profile] oneironaut's notion is right. I knew what an orrery was, just didn't know the term. Both are very pretty. :)

From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com


But why can't greetings be retroactive? I seriously don't get that. Don't mind in the least if people are still wishing me "Happy Birthday" on Thanksgiving, or "Merry Yule" on the 30th. Maybe I'm just weird.

That snarky comment of [livejournal.com profile] rosefox below? I've *done* that. Not gone *shopping* shopping, but been absolutely astonished to find the supermarket closed on Christmas. This would be the 24/7 supermarket, which apparently "never closes!" except on Christmas. They got churlish with me the next day when I asked how they can claim to "never close" when they really *do* close-- "it's CHRISTMAS!" So? It's Bailey's Crossroads, home of the largest immigrant population in Northern Virginia. Pretty safe bet that there are *lots* of non-Christmas-celebrators who actually need things. I've also gone shopping-shopping on Easter Sunday and wondered why the stores were closed. Christmas the TV drums into your head, but I have no clue when the moving holidays that aren't mine are scheduled. Hard enough to remember to celebrate the ones that *are* mine.
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From: [personal profile] redbird


I use "Happy New Year" a lot. It's a wish I can actually offer sincerely, and it's for a holiday that comes after [Western] Christmas, hence should be appropriate anytime Christmas wishes might be.

I'm trying not to be cranky: and then someone comes along who waits until Christmas day to wish a large group of people a happy "whatever you celebrate this time of year", which goes back to the assumption that all people celebrate either Xmas or an Xmas-equivalent.

Were I at all an observant Jew, I would wait until Purim or Passover and post holiday greetings with an appended "or whatever you celebrate this time of year".

From: [identity profile] boojum.livejournal.com


The snarky side of me says to do it around Rosh Hashanah / Yom Kippur, because there's no Christian holiday around then. You could blow a random autumn saint's day all out of proportion, too. Then again, I've been trying and failing to stay asleep for the last hour, so I'm not feeling very nice to the world.
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From: [personal profile] rosefox


I would stick with good wishes for Rosh Hashanah; "Have a great Day of Atonement!" doesn't have quite the same ring to it. *)

From: [identity profile] sstaten.livejournal.com


In general crankiness, "Happy Solstice" as a nasty-intentioned comeback to "Merry Christmas" irritates me even more when people continue doing it well after the astronomical use-by date. I want to strap these people to an orrery and spin them around until they suffer from an understanding of astronomical geometry.

:: GRINS :: I'm going to have to remember this one!
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From: [personal profile] rosefox


Lots of people asked me whether I had a good Christmas. I tended to blink and say mildly, "Yes, the weekend was very quiet and relaxing. I didn't really notice it being Christmas, since I don't celebrate it." Depending on the person, I occasionally added, "Though I was kind of irritated that all the stores were closed when I tried to go shopping on Saturday. Aren't they all supposed to be run by Jews? My people are letting me down!"

(My iTunes randomizer obligingly goes straight into "Thus saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts" from Handel's Messiah as I type that.)
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From: [personal profile] elf


Lighter, not matches.
Flint & steel. Older than matches. Matches have sulfur; bad for some rituals. And they don't work after getting wet.

However, I do tend to keep a book of paper matches in the travel ritual kit, because sometimes I'll loan out the lighter & not get it back. Paper matches don't go away 'cos I don't use them. (Find some goth club that gives away matches with nifty logo.)

Even the Christians around here tend to use "happy holidays;" the ChristmaHanaKwanzaRamaStice season is just a bit too much for most people.

From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com


The polite thing is to wish people a happy whatever-holiday-they-celebrate - thus it's proper to say "Happy Yule!" to Pagans, and since Christmas is also called Yule, it's proper to say it to Christians too. If you don't want to be too specific, you can say "Happy Yuletide", meaning "this general holiday-season", all the way up to the week after New Year if you want.

For Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist people, atheists, practicioners of minority and/or Native religions, etcetera, it gets to be more difficult, because unless you know what holiday (if any) they're celebrating around the Winter Solstice, you're never gonna guess right. So "happy holidays" is probably safest, but it does sound pretty wimpy and boring.

I tend to think "Happy Yule" is generic enough - if people don't like it, they can tell me what they want to be wished instead, and I will gladly wish them that. However, if someone says "Merry Christmas" to me, I say it back to them, on the assumption that it's the thought that counts.

Yeah, "happy Solstice" is a silly greeting even on the actual day of the solstice, let alone any other time, but... whatever, y'know?

"I want to strap these people to an orrery and spin them around until they suffer from an understanding of astronomical geometry."

LOL, actually, that sounds like it would utterly be a blast; I'd wait in line to ride that ride. Aughra's orrery in the movie The Dark Crystal, remember that? it wasn't this solar system, but it was cool as can be, and I definitely wanted one.
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